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yer ardy
05-01-2003, 11:28 AM
Here's an article to get the discussion party started...
and yes, please, feel free to add your thoughts..... ;)
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Why I Steal Music
By Josh Quitner for TIME

One night last week, I almost ripped off a parking lot. It had one of those honor systems where you're supposed to slide your payment into a numbered slot that corresponds to your parking space. I was late for dinner in San Francisco, and I didn't have exact change. It was late, and I doubted that anyone would bust me, but I still ended up jogging across the street to a convenience store and buying a box of Tic Tacs I didn't want just to break a $20. Then I spent the next five minutes folding eight $1 bills into stick origami and squeezing them into the sneering slot.

Why? Well, like the former President said, I am not a crook. I've never stolen anything — anything, that is, besides music. But I confess to being an unrepentant ex-Napsterite, now a LimeWire artist. I can find almost any tune online. I download songs to my computer and then off-load them to my MP3 player or burn them onto CDs to play in my car. Like tens of millions of others, I don't consider myself particularly immoral.

So why is it that otherwise honest folks blithely steal music? For me, it started with Napster. I was desperate to hear an old Loudon Wainwright III tune that hadn't yet been rereleased on CD. I found it one day online — someone had converted the entire record into MP3s and kindly uploaded the songs. I downloaded the tune and then helped myself to a rare Duane Allman rendition of Please Be with Me. I had begun my descent into hell, or wherever it is that music pilferers go at the Final Download. I'd have been thrilled to pay for them, I rationalized, but at the time they weren't available on CD.

In a recent e-mail survey, TIME asked downloaders why they steal online. Each had a similarly convoluted rationale. One said he wasn't stealing but was "simply borrowing from friends I don't know all over the world." Many resented buying an album when all they wanted was one song. One raged against the Man, saying it's "payback time" against venal record companies. Only a few owned up to what I suspect is the real reason: it's virtually impossible to get caught. While few of these people would, for example, help themselves to books or stereos if they could hack into amazon.com, music is different. It's ephemeral; you can't hold it in your hand. I suspect this is a problem that even Steve Jobs can't solve.

Josh Quitner is editor of Business 2.0

© 2003 TIME.com

Highway23
05-01-2003, 11:43 AM
Why I steal music?


It started for me when I came to college. Our network was full of folders, in which people were sharing programs, music, movies, anything that they wanted to. It was great to go about our local community of online computers and find that you could download the newest South Park video. I had heard that there was a program starting in which we could download music, and MP3s were just beginning to come around.

NAPSTER? What the hell does that mean? I went online and typed it on my Windows 95 menu bar of Internet Explorer and bam! I was downloading a program that would change the music industry forever.

just like that, I was downloading shit loads of music. Just like Josh, I was finding rare stuff, rare Pearl Jam, live songs from all my favorite bands. Then, when it was Yield coming out, I had found a site that was sharing the album, months before it was due for release..."Um....Yeah, I think I'll get it" So I got it, put it up on Napster, and it was all over the place.

Now, as many of you know, I download songs everyday. I had then Eminem Show before it came out, but I also got the stuff that wasn't going to be released, but rather was released to DJs who use the songs.

Like many of you here, I dont' have the money to buy all the music that is out there. If I did, I would be buying it all the time. I love to have a cd case to put up in my stand, and a cd to put in, and a booklet to read...but you know what? I don't want to pay 20 dollars for an album. I remember when I could buy a double album for almost less than that. And don't tell me that this price has fluxuated only because of file sharing, prices were on the rise before Napster was even written. I was paying 10 dollars for tapes! Now, I don't think that I have seen a new cassette tape in a long time.

I really don't think that File sharing is really hurting music in general. Yes, the little guy who isn't well known is getting hurt to a certain extent, and there are always 2 sides to this. I'm more of a person who downloads a song that I hear and like. I may try and get another one of their songs, but most of the time, I'm just going to stick with that one single or whatever.

I just peaked over the 7000 mark of mp3s on my computer. Mind you almost 2000 of them are just Pearl Jam songs. I have anything from Dylan to Ranid, Joan Baez to the Beastie Boys. If you want it, I can find it. If you haven't heard it, I'll let ya hear it.

If I want an album, I'll buy it. If it deserves to be bought, I'll buy it. I have always kept my amount of mp3s in my potsdam folder kinda low, mainly because it's pretty easy for the campus to know what is going on. So I don't put albums on there, or alot of album version songs.

That's what's nice about Pearl Jam...it's all live.


Rock on, and get the new Winamp3...it's great :)

Johnny Carwash
05-01-2003, 03:56 PM
i think music is free, the packaging is what costs $...
like if it's an mp3, it's free cause it's just 1's and 0's.. and it's in no way equal to the quality of the real thing... (you get what you pay for)
i'm not one that would download all new cd's off the net..
i might download a couple songs and see if i'm interested in buying the album
sometime i'll download a whole cd.. especially if it's a leak, like the new radiohead, but i'm buying it when it's released, that's for sure

i also think that if you download a whole album from a new band, and you like it enough to listen to it often, then you should buy it... cause they need the support
like when i downloaded the entire strokes cd when it came out...
but i didn't have a chance to buy it cause Beta bought it for me:cool:
if she didn't, i would have.. the point is, it was bought

the latest complete album i've downloaded and plan to buy is the new Cardigans cd.... but it's not released in the US yet, so i'd have to pay $40 for an import... that's not gonna happen, at least not right now.

Beta
05-01-2003, 05:06 PM
I still remember the time (about 7 years ago) when my cousin tried to explain me what mp3's were and how you could download them to your computer. I remember he sounded frustrated cause I couldn't really understand it. I remember thinking "WHOA, you mean I can have sympathy for the devil on my computer without buying the album??that's magic."
Fuck, I miss napster. All these new programs are shit compared to it.
I used to download a lot more when I first got Napter. Like when I first got my game boy and wouldn't stop playing tetris. I don't download much now. It is mostly live songs and stuff that usually aren't on records. I never felt the need to download a whole album. And most of the songs that I download, I end up buying the album anyway. So it's like a promotions tool to a record. My musicmatch playlist is my ultimate radio station.

Highway23
05-01-2003, 05:08 PM
I hear ya there Beta :)

All I ever do is listen to my mp3s...I don't deal with the radio anymore, it's poopy

but I do watch MTV just to hear the new hip hop songs

reading about music is the best way for me to find out about shit, cuz the radio plays the same damn crap :mad:

Johnny Carwash
05-01-2003, 05:15 PM
i think they're great promotional tools, too
it pisses me off when i hear about the u.s. gov't trying to regulate these things.... i mean, come on... it's the world wide web, not the USA web
and they wanna put programs on the computers now that if you have mp3's you'll be fined and shit... wtf? what about all the band websites that provide free official mp3's?

Highway23
05-01-2003, 05:20 PM
i'm going to keep my computer and never let the government touch it!


**rubbing monitor** Don't worry baby, they won't touch you, I won't let them **kisses cd drive**

Johnny Carwash
05-01-2003, 05:26 PM
jake, you need a drink

Highway23
05-01-2003, 05:35 PM
yer right my good friend


I do need a drink....



right after my 20 minute presentation tonight!!!!!

Beta
05-01-2003, 05:37 PM
One day, I'll program my computer to download an mp3 while it pours me a drink.

Highway23
05-01-2003, 05:40 PM
oh baby!

Boulie be first in line hunay!

RogueTrader
05-01-2003, 07:19 PM
I think that P2P distribution of music is the future. I think that you will be able to get Albums for free all the timein the future....but artists will not spend the same ammount of time on prepating them as they do now. Albums or EP's will become the junk mail of 20 years from now. Bands will spam the fuck out of you with their tunes and gimmicks to get you to come to see them play. Albums as we know them will cease to exist because they will not be prifitable to produce.

Pearl Jam is way ahead of the curve on this one. Recordings of specific concerts or even better, DVD's of specific concerts will be set to mailing lists of people scant hours after a show is completed. You will be able to have the concert experience for years afterwards.

::M