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Wow, that was excellent...

that guy is sharp as hell. MI is lucky to have him. (meanwhile, my KY representative's chair is glaringly vacant in the row behind. :dead:)

I'm not sure where I lean on the health care debate. I've heard so many excellent arguments from both sides. It's a toughie.

[reallygroovN]

my bottom line, and i am sure dominick will LOOOOOOVE this point (hahahaha).... i think anything would be better then the current system in which for-profit insurance companies make money off of my health and healthcare.

i can understand the concerns - it is a HUUUUGE change and i have them as well. but i am from the ilk that thinks that adequate healthcare should be a right for an american citizen. and ignoring the millions of people who use hospitals as their g.p. and then dont pay their bill because they cant afford it, doesnt mean that these people do not exist. it is a problem that HAS to be addressed before healthcare for the rest of us can get under control.

it is also my belief that healthcare is a huge reason why american companies go to other countries to do business. healthcare should not be the burden of a business.

just yesterday, i saw this comercial staring an elderly couple who were fretting over the fact that his needed heart operation would not be covered by the government's healthcare plan, however that same plan covers abortions. ugh. i mean, arent older folks covered by medicare, if they can afford the co-pays????? and which insurance plan covers abortions?

i am sure both sides have their own scare tactics, however, i tend not to trust a side that is being funded by folks who are making money off of my healthcare - which includes insurance companies and the shareholders who have such a huge interest on my current state of good health....

[mensane]

the think that i find ironic about all of this is the people that are complaining that Obama is trying to do too much too fast....

...didnt he SAY he wanted to accomplish a lot in the first year?

how dare he actually attempt to live up to his campaign promises.....

[oblio]

the think that i find ironic about all of this is the people that are complaining that Obama is trying to do too much too fast....

...didnt he SAY he wanted to accomplish a lot in the first year?

how dare he actually attempt to live up to his campaign promises.....


You mean he wants to improve the quality of life for his country and
it's citizens?

How dare he. Impeach the bastard.

health care is good.
I really can't think of anything negative about it but then again I have
had the fortune of benefitting from it my whole life so I may be a little
jaded.

[greenmind]

"...you have a less chance of survivability" :rolleyes:

the criticism in this debate of the National Health Service in the UK is ridiculous. fox had to dig out one of the most eccentric right-wing weirdos in the Conservative Party to go along with such criticism, and the interview almost caused him to get thrown out his Party. which shows to what extent universal free healthcare is taken as fundamental for a humane society here, even by the right.


i am sure both sides have their own scare tactics, however, i tend not to trust a side that is being funded by folks who are making money off of my healthcare - which includes insurance companies and the shareholders who have such a huge interest on my current state of good health....

exactly - what do the reformers have to gain personally by this? i think people over here are way too smug about the US political system/culture, but the extent to which big business is considered more trustworthy than democratically elected representatives still perplexes me. i guess its a lot to do with insane 1950s cold war ideology, but its amazing how deeply that that has permeated the consciousness.

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simplistic but awesome,
:silly::oldman::bigsm:

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honestly - if the intent is to emulate the canadian system then

I have never paid for a medical procedure in my life

I HAVE had to pay for a TV in my semi-private paid for by the government hospital room - although I usually end up in private subsidized by my employer (kind of a standard benefit up here)

I am ALWAYS able to see my doctor the same day if needed

I have never had to wait longer than a few days for an ultrasound, mammogram, I usually leave my doctor and go to the clinic for an x-ray with my little form in hand (there is a wait here because I have to wait my turn)

I HAVE waited 4 or 5 hours in the emergency room depending on why we went (usually kid related) - I am waiting because we have been through triage and urgent cases are ahead of us, as it should be

I WOULD have to wait an extended period of time if I chose an ELECTIVE procedure and wanted it done - i.e. the people who seem to have hit the press because they WANTED an MRI and had to go to the states

I WOULD have to pay for a procedure if I went to the states because the canadian government had not yet approved it's safety yet

or maybe not - because most Canadians have Blue Cross to cover out-of-country medical expenses (my work pays for this although I could pay a small monthly fee if I was unemployed) UNLESS I CHOSE to have a deemed-unnecessary procedure after consultation

I WOULD pay for an ambulance if I called one for a trip to the hospital - but not if I called 911 for an emergency - this is to prevent abuse of the system and quite frankly I've never heard of anybody doing it

I do not pay for specialists - I do have to pay to rent crutches, but in a lot of cases they just let you use them and bring them back

if you don't have coverage for prescriptions most doctors will load you up with samples from the distributor to get you through

Neil had a recent incident (the day we went to see Davy Knowles which kind of had us on the down swing for the night) where he went to the doctor after work and was set up for immediate test the next morning - absolutely no wait - the doctor even wanted him to see the specialist that night - so after 5:30 pm we would have been able to go and have an immediate ultrasound and consultation

My sister-in-law was recently diagnosed with cancer - her surgery was done less than two weeks after her test results came back and there was absolutely no wait for chemo - other than for her recovery period

she will not pay for this and most hospitals offer a "chauffeur service" if needed to make sure cancer patients are not taking public transit home after their sessions

My son has had x-rays, cat scans, been put in an oxygen tent, been drained-assessed-treated all within the first few hours of a trip to the hospital

I know the cost is in my taxes somewhere - I don't know where - but the money that we're all already paying anyway is being allocated to my well being

the downside falls on doctors and nurses - standardized charges mean no extra charges - unless of course you're going to a plastic surgeon for that nip and tuck that you want - but I've also heard of the government paying for nips and tucks depending on the circumstance

I just want to clear up some misconceptions that I think are being put out through the media as a deterrent

and as for our native community, something else that crops up in the press - the issue is availability based on location - there maybe only a limited number of hospitals in rural communities - and this would affect all residents living in the area

honestly - I can't imagine having to live with the stress of finances when it comes to health issues - maybe I have the wrong impression of how it works in the states - I have nothing really to base my opinion on other than the media

and we know how manipulative they can be!

[greenmind]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yAwjK3DgjQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yAwjK3DgjQ

so this guy was on the front of 'time' last week?

[Not_Trapped]

open up insurance and let people in - drives down premiums and spreads out the risk and it covers more people. base premiums on wage:cost of living and debt ratio - set up a system where you are covered through a government subsidized program that actually pays the bills (instead of forcing hospitals to do something they do not have the money to do and then witholding funds because they are not doing that which they are forced to do but lack the financial resources to do)...

provide tax incentives for those companies that provide company-paid healthcare.

DO NOT tax employee healthcare benefits. this will just lead to problems...people will not to be taxed, therefore, they will want the benefits paid directly to them then they'll blow it on a new care and be uninsured.

if you get people on a good health and well-being regimen, they will need hospitals less and primary care centers more and more. provide patient education on how and when to use the ER so ERs can be freed up of primary care center cases.

[brokenarrow]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yAwjK3DgjQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yAwjK3DgjQ

so this guy was on the front of 'time' last week?

My blood pressure just went up 50 notches.......men like this are filled with such blind hate.





I like what you say Dominic, as usual!