Does A Public Apology Suit

[John]

for a lift of the ban on the member of this community formerly known as Seth who is using the name John...

i sent Smirks/Chris a proposal and if he wants to keep the ban in effect i will leave, but i'm offering an apology for my drunken annoying behavior on the basis that i believe his method of discipline was too harsh, we couldn't even come to an agreement on a proper form of discipline...

is anyone perfect, for christ sakes?

i've been sober for close to six months now and have a lot to be thankful for during this holiday season..

i'm going back in my life and reminding myself of all the people that i need to ask for forgiveness in order to keep my life stable and honest...

by the way, i graduated from college in May and plan to go on to be a public school teacher...

best,
Seth (John)

:)

[ProfessorFrink]

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[John]

my anger-managment is under control, my. kitts and frinkie...

i can appreciate the humor with the flash back to "The Shining," yep that's me if i don't keep myself under control...

i have to always keep on guard to let go of the things i can't control, especially people who annoy me or who i have to associate with or have had a bad relationship with...

we are all made up of feelings, Frinkie including our old friend Rogue Trader, however; as individuals we react to different styles and my reaction to some in this community was bad...

as Rage Against the Machine once said, "anger is a gift," however; a gift when used wisely and appropriately...

Jesus Christ is my savior and an example to live up to if there is anything that can keep me from sliding back down the road of ruin...

i now consider myself a spirtual Socialist who has rejected athesism, but still adhere to Socialist economic values based a poverty economics :scared:

[Immortal]

for a lift of the ban on the member of this community formerly known as Seth who is using the name John...

i sent Smirks/Chris a proposal and if he wants to keep the ban in effect i will leave, but i'm offering an apology for my drunken annoying behavior on the basis that i believe his method of discipline was too harsh, we couldn't even come to an agreement on a proper form of discipline...

is anyone perfect, for christ sakes?

i've been sober for close to six months now and have a lot to be thankful for during this holiday season..

i'm going back in my life and reminding myself of all the people that i need to ask for forgiveness in order to keep my life stable and honest...

by the way, i graduated from college in May and plan to go on to be a public school teacher...

best,
Seth (John)

:)
interesting.

you didn't really affect me either way in your previous time here as i recall, but i do remember your posts and your antagonization of fellow posters. it's a good thing you've changed though, because i think your "messageboard malcontent" title has been taken.

i don't have much to add other than that, and well, welcome back. just play nice this time

[rise above]

6 months, you should be proud.

and congratulations also on your graduation.

[John]

"interesting.

you didn't really affect me either way in your previous time here as i recall, but i do remember your posts and your antagonization of fellow posters. it's a good thing you've changed though, because i think your "messageboard malcontent" title has been taken.

i don't have much to add other than that, and well, welcome back. just play nice this time" - Immortal

yeah, you're right about playing nice this time similiar to the agreement offered in Pink Floyd web rings like you can't be welcome back until we reach an agreement...

also, there we fellow posters who loved to push my buttons, however; that's still no excuse...

i was encouraged by Mike McCready who told his story about his dark victory (in "Guitar World") from alcholism and self-medicating, which was a problem for me...

over the weekend i spoke with my AA sponsor who suggested for this weekend to be sober, his words, "If all is fails today, there is one thing that won't fail, my sobriety."

[RogueTrader]

I don't trust it.

Not up to me though. The only thing that made your inane and misguided ideology even somewhat palettable was the fact that you were an atheist.

As a 'spiritual socialist', your beliefs are <i>completely</i> repugnant to me.

~M

[jamijams]

but i'm offering an apology for my drunken annoying behavior on the basis that i believe his method of discipline was too harsh



i find it interesting that you list your motive for apologizing being your desire to get back onto this board. an apology should be self-less, not selfish.

what, exactly, specifically, are you apologizing for?
"annoying behavior" is not nearly explicit enough

you went to great effort to make me feel unsafe in my own home, and whenever i answered my cell phone

for me, personally, while i may eventually forgive you, i have absolutely ZERO desire to have any type of contact with you, whether it be direct or indirect

do not send me private messages, they will be deleted without being read

[reallygroovN]

i can't even begin to put my feelings into words about this one....

but, i will try.

first off, you offer an apology for your behavior with the caveat that you were *drunk*. then you follow that apology with a complaint that chris was too harsh by banning you.

im sorry, but you repeatedly harassed a member of this bbs to the point where she had to change her phone numbers. you also crossed the line from harassing her to scaring her.

i believe that you crossed a line. most drunk people dont cross that line. they just get drunk.

and, this is chris' bbs and he has always been fair and tolerant and accommodating. i am sure that he directly told you why you were banned, for what reason...and you just didnt agree. to you that means he was unfair. oh well, get your own bbs, seth.

second off - i have direct contact with aa, my husband, brother and father (As well as my mother when she was alive) are all recovering alcoholics. i've been to numerous al-anon and other 12step meetings.

i dont want to judge your sobriety, however, i am pretty sure that if you honestly talked to your sponsor about your past on the internet and what happened, particularly regarding jami, then your sponsor would advise you to stay far away from pjnet as well as the internet.

third off, being that i know a thing or two about aa, it sickens me that you are twisting that wisdom to fit your life instead of fitting your life thru that wisdom.

it seems to me you have learned little.

and i wonder what school district will hire you with a drunk driving charge. god help the children that you come in contact with. i hear there are no more teaching jobs available in new jersey. they are all filled.

[John]

okay, cathy,
let's talk turkey as i gather my thoughts...
can you view it from all sides?
i apoligize to Jami if i made her feel unsafe by joking around with someone who shared intimitate details with me over Instant Messanger more than fours years ago.
my real intention with the public apology was to offer to Smirks that he lessen the penalty after viewing it from all sides and coming to an agreement with me, moreover; Cathy you need to understand how it made me feel in the past to be lead on sexually by people such as jami on this message board and in private, and i make no excuses for my behavior, however; she scarred me emotionally and sexually by dumping her problems on me and not dealing with reality...
thank god, i can finally cope with fostering healthy relationships and not be used by people anymore...
i wonder if you hold Jami to the same judgment as me?
also, i wonder if you cast people that you look up to like PJ guitarist and recovering alcoholic Mike Mcready to the same standards as myself who regularly have to be place in uncomfortable situations, morever; McCready experienced situations in his drunkeness that are on tape and he has since apoligized for it...
i remember him saying, "i just thank god that my friends in Pearl Jam never took steps to throw me out, which they could have done instead of a slam of the telephone on me"
how do you think Mike McCready has to adjust playing before millions and watching ed down another bottle of wine - think about that, cathy...
and for the record: my record in the court system is a clean without giving any details on an open forum...




i can't even begin to put my feelings into words about this one....

but, i will try.

first off, you offer an apology for your behavior with the caveat that you were *drunk*. then you follow that apology with a complaint that chris was too harsh by banning you.

im sorry, but you repeatedly harassed a member of this bbs to the point where she had to change her phone numbers. you also crossed the line from harassing her to scaring her.

i believe that you crossed a line. most drunk people dont cross that line. they just get drunk.

and, this is chris' bbs and he has always been fair and tolerant and accommodating. i am sure that he directly told you why you were banned, for what reason...and you just didnt agree. to you that means he was unfair. oh well, get your own bbs, seth.

second off - i have direct contact with aa, my husband, brother and father (As well as my mother when she was alive) are all recovering alcoholics. i've been to numerous al-anon and other 12step meetings.

i dont want to judge your sobriety, however, i am pretty sure that if you honestly talked to your sponsor about your past on the internet and what happened, particularly regarding jami, then your sponsor would advise you to stay far away from pjnet as well as the internet.

third off, being that i know a thing or two about aa, it sickens me that you are twisting that wisdom to fit your life instead of fitting your life thru that wisdom.

it seems to me you have learned little.

and i wonder what school district will hire you with a drunk driving charge. god help the children that you come in contact with. i hear there are no more teaching jobs available in new jersey. they are all filled.

[jamijams]

uh, seth I don't know what the FUCK you think you are referring to but the second you EVER got sexual with me is the exact reason i ever stopped talking to you in the first place
and we arent talking about joking over instant messenger
we are talking about stalking and harrassment
and i have pages upon pages of keeping track of your fucked up phone calls at every time of the day or night
i never led you on sexually or any over way
you're ill. get help.

[jamijams]

and one last thing
stop comparing your newfound sobriety to mike's life
you know nothing about him and his daily struggle

i think its great you find inspiration in his strength and steadfast resolve to live a better life
but unlike you, mike is honest with himself

[Just_Jam_Please]

okay, cathy,
let's talk turkey as i gather my thoughts...
can you view it from all sides?
i apoligize to Jami if i made her feel unsafe by joking around with someone who shared intimitate details with me over Instant Messanger more than fours years ago.
my real intention with the public apology was to offer to Smirks that he lessen the penalty after viewing it from all sides and coming to an agreement with me, moreover; Cathy you need to understand how it made me feel in the past to be lead on sexually by people such as jami on this message board and in private, and i make no excuses for my behavior, however; she scarred me emotionally and sexually by dumping her problems on me and not dealing with reality...
thank god, i can finally cope with fostering healthy relationships and not be used by people anymore...
i wonder if you hold Jami to the same judgment as me?
also, i wonder if you cast people that you look up to like PJ guitarist and recovering alcoholic Mike Mcready to the same standards as myself who regularly have to be place in uncomfortable situations, morever; McCready experienced situations in his drunkeness that are on tape and he has since apoligized for it...
i remember him saying, "i just thank god that my friends in Pearl Jam never took steps to throw me out, which they could have done instead of a slam of the telephone on me"
how do you think Mike McCready has to adjust playing before millions and watching ed down another bottle of wine - think about that, cathy...
and for the record: my record in the court system is a clean without giving any details on an open forum...

"Everything has changed...............absolutely nothings changed..."

Seth you claim to have changed and found sobriety, but it appears to me that you are once again seeking attention and attacking people. I see things from all sides and I see that you selfishly came back onto this board and began judging Chris and his actions against you. You should have sent him a PM and waited for a response before even posting. But that would have been a thoughtful thing to do and you don't seem to do things that benefit anyone except for yourself. I say cut your loss now. If you're genuinely on a path to recovery I suggest you DON'T go down this road again.

[John]

you don't have to delete my account, smirks, as i'm backing off by taking responsibility after i said my peace and cleaned out the air by agreeing to leave as the percentages on this message board are against me with the hierarchy...


do you remember the name "daisyloo420," jami? and it was you who reached out to me in the first place...

don't exaggerate with the pages upon pages, jami...

i have a record to the telephone bill as well and you telling me to never call you again, which is when i backed off from ever calling you again...

i kept track of our MSC instanting messenger covos and your battles with OCD and Jason, Jami; to the point where you were sending me pics of your house and your dog with yourself in a car, which i still have...

i remember eddie playing mike's "drunken" threatening to kill his parents on Monkey Wrech radio a few years ago...

perception is 9/10th of reality, jami trying doing your own personal inventory it is helpful...

i've learned to cope with boundries, jami...

[Just_Jam_Please]

Fucking fuck Seth....................shut the fuck up. You come here to start a fight and it is frightening that you would even be near children because this is what you would teach them. Why can't you leave things alone???

[John]

because i dislike judgmental people who have hurt me personally :bored:

i plan to be a History teacher...


Fucking fuck Seth....................shut the fuck up. You come here to start a fight and it is frightening that you would even be near children because this is what you would teach them. Why can't you leave things alone???

[Just_Jam_Please]

because i dislike judgmental people who have hurt me personally :bored:

i plan to be a History teacher...

Look. There was this guy who, many moons ago, did not like me and hurt me profoundly.................I cut him out of my life like a cancer. I did not/do not revisit that place in my life because I moved on. You coming back here 'because i dislike judgemental people who have hurt me personally.' Well, we ALL have been hurt in life...............we leave it behind and do not come back for a round 3, 4 or 5. Get it?? This is not a healthy thing to do Seth. It's just not. Leave things alone.

[csmooth24]

you don't have to delete my account, smirks, as i'm backing off by taking responsibility after i said my peace and cleaned out the air by agreeing to leave as the percentages on this message board are against me with the hierarchy...
this is like a REALLY REALLY AWFUL de ja vu! I think I've heard this before...

and before...

and before...

[reallygroovN]

john/seth/whoever

step away from the computer and get yourself to a meeting. obviously, more time and growth are needed, on all ends, in order for you to feel welcome here again.

a true apology would have been made unconditionally. i think its important to understand just what *unconditionally* means as it seems as if you don't quite understand that concept. its one of the important ones to grasp in order to have a sucessful sobriety.





but, please don't even get me started about the whole irony in you being a history teacher.

[John]

this is Seth and John as Seth John is my confirmation name...

like in the movie GOOD WILL HUNTING when his therapist says to Will, "All this shit, it's not your fault, it's your fault when going over his history" - that line helps me from beating myself up at night or when things don't go my way...

i can respect that Jami doesn't want direct contact with me ever again, nor do i want any contact with her anymore based on her feelings...

jami is a part of my past, but i thought i needed to offer her a sincere apology...

my first college professor at a community college is a recovering alcoholic who was very revealing in his story during our speech communication class about the ramifications of being a dyslexic alcoholic, however; he made no excuses but did offer the caveat of a life that does get better from the bottom on up, which it did for him...

i've worked with mentally retarded adult males in group homes who needed a male to counsel them in appropriate behavior around women...

things get better, they really do :)

[csmooth24]

again, i thought you said you were leaving?

[yer ardy]

oh well, get your own bbs, seth.

best idea i've heard today.

[Vino Junkie]

best idea i've heard today.
ditto

[Johnny Carwash]

are you drunk right now?

[John]

JC,

was making an ass out of my-self last Father's Day and being thrown out of a Socialist's friend's political meeting...

i went to a bar and was thrown out of a house party for taking off all my clothes and pretending to be James Douglas Morrison...

:normal:

everyone one has a past, JC; including the members of this message board...

i'm stone cold sober for close to six months with the help of doctor prescribed medication...

i spoke with my sponsor today...:gas:

[Johnny Carwash]

Debbie Downer.

[John]

is that the name of your sponsor?

my sponsor is Joe A.

Debbie Downer.

[John]

"best idea i've heard today" - yer ardy

no, the best words in my humble opinion yer ardy are the following:

Trust in the LORD and do good that you may dwell in the land and live secure.
<DT> <DD>Find your delight in the LORD who will give you your heart's desire. <DT> <DD>Commit your way to the LORD; trust that God will act <DT> <DD>And make your integrity shine like the dawn, your vindication like noonday.
</DD>

The land: the promised land, Israel, which became for later interpreters a type or figure of heaven. Cf Hebrews 11:9-10 (http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/hebrews/hebrews11.htm#v9), 13-16 (http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/hebrews/hebrews11.htm#v13). The New Testament Beatitudes (Matthew 5:3-12 (http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/matthew/matthew5.htm#v3); Luke 6:20-26 (http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/luke/luke6.htm#v20)) have been influenced by the psalm, especially their total reversal of the present and their interpretation of the happy future as possession of the land.

[Johnny Carwash]

is that the name of your sponsor?

my sponsor is Joe A.
Anheuser-Busch, St. Louis, MO

[yer ardy]

the god i believe in doesn't encourage people to spew forth holier-than-thou
diatribes of their sad, misguided and misinterpretation of questionable scriptures (quotes, verses) all in a pathetic effort to save one's face and reputation.

i'm sure there are several other bbs' just waiting for your enlightenment....

[John]

by following the words of the Methodist Minister (who has a Ph.D in Theology) last night, moreover; by asking for healing and forgiveness in my own life and elsewhere, i'm working my way closer to the Lord and Jesus Christ...

by posting this Psalm 37, i'm following the example of David Livingstone, who by praying in public and in private as a follower of Jesus Christ, i'm doing something sincere and tangible to devote my trust in Jesus...

once again, i'm coping with conflict-resolution and adaptive feelings, ardy; in a clinical sense...

to have a close and personal relationship with a higher power is not as good as when based on an interpretation of the Holy Bible through a Pastor such as a Catholic Preist or Methodist Minister...

while not a Bush ultra-conservative (spending time we the Halliburton ilk), considering myself on the Christain left, i can relate to his born again experience while being a Catholic in good standing, however; who is against abortion, militarism, same sex marriage and the death penalty...


the god i believe in doesn't encourage people to spew forth holier-than-thou
diatribes of their sad, misguided and misinterpretation of questionable scriptures (quotes, verses) all in a pathetic effort to save one's face and reputation.

i'm sure there are several other bbs' just waiting for your enlightenment....

[John]

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by following the words of the Methodist Minister (who has a Ph.D in Theology) last night, moreover; by asking for healing and forgiveness in my own life and elsewhere, i'm working my way closer to the Lord and Jesus Christ...

by posting this Psalm 37, i'm following the example of David Livingstone, who by praying in public and in private as a follower of Jesus Christ, i'm doing something sincere and tangible...

once again, i'm coping with conflict-resolution and adaptive feelings, ardy; in a clinical world...

to have a close and personal relationship with a higher power is much better when based on an interpretation of the Holy Bible...

while not a Bush ultra-conservative, i can relate to his born again experience while being a Catholic in good standing...

[reallygroovN]

The land: the promised land, Israel, which became for later interpreters a type or figure of heaven. Cf Hebrews 11:9-10 (http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/hebrews/hebrews11.htm#v9), 13-16 (http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/hebrews/hebrews11.htm#v13). The New Testament Beatitudes (Matthew 5:3-12 (http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/matthew/matthew5.htm#v3); Luke 6:20-26 (http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/luke/luke6.htm#v20)) have been influenced by the psalm, especially their total reversal of the present and their interpretation of the happy future as possession of the land.
hoooooold one minute, there, sethyboy.

i thought you were all about palestine and against the promised land of israel, who you, at one time, called zionist or something.

does this mean you are a bisexual-alcoholic-socialist-christian-zionist?

[John]

actually, cathy,

i believe in the right of right for Palestinian refugees to return, however; that the Jews and Muslims should share the Holy Land in peace...

i will continue to speak out against Jewish Zionism and Muslim terrorism...

the Methodist Minister i consulted with spoke with missionaries in the Holy Land that brought the word of Jesus to a people in war footing...

i have only french kissed a man once while drunk on Jack Daniels, moreover; i believe while the secular State is free to recoginize gay marriage, the Holy Catholic Church has a right not to...

one's sexual preference is determined in large part on socialization and parenting along with family history and i have overcome my bisexual feelings toward males to socialize better with women, cathy...

please check out the post on Asperger's Syndrome, Cathy, to have a better understanding of where i'm coming from at http://www.udel.edu/bkirby/asperger/

i've never had a sexaul relationship with another man and don't plan on it :nospeak:

i consider myself a straight male...




hoooooold one minute, there, sethyboy.

i thought you were all about palestine and against the promised land of israel, who you, at one time, called zionist or something.

does this mean you are a bisexual-alcoholic-socialist-christian-zionist?

[reallygroovN]

well, you got me confused there for a mo..... one of the last posts you made back inthe day, you said you were gay. or bisexual. you were pretty definate about that. i was just wondering.

i think you need more help in the socializing with women department ;)

maybe you should try wearing less labels and just become a human like the rest of us.

[yer ardy]

whatever will be, will be, seth.
but the religious (c)rap you're hiding behind would be welcomed elsewhere, rather than in this forum, i'm thinking. and much of your attempts at redemption would be better served in private messages.

you had your chance (several chances) long ago and you blew it - all by the choices YOU made. whether you were drunk or sober isn't an issue. trust is something that is earned, which takes time, and is not awarded to the one who quotes the bible, religion, theologians and their ilk "the bestest." as usual, you cite articles, websites, quotes, verses, passages, etc., to steel your resolve, but no one's buying it. one day, perhaps, you'll come up with an original thought on your own. it will take years for you to win over those you damaged by your actions. your top priority should be your family and friends at home, and not some casual acquaintenances on a message board.

we could debate this til the end of time, but i've got better things to do. i would hope that in your attempt to change your life, in order to be successful, you would close this chapter of your book and move on. your pleas to be forgiven are falling on deaf ears. get a clue.

[John]

ards,

closing this chapter of the book isn't a bad idea, ards...

i almost drank my way through college, but i never closed that book until the day i graduated Bachelor of Arts...

there is nothing orginal under the sun, ards, even a Pearl Jam song, sorry, but that it reality...

"it's all been said before" - ev

trust in the Lord and all else will fall into place, ards...

that's a good starting point and it helps me cope...

you have to learn to let go as well, ards, while having a right to be angry...

i'm trying to live by the power of example and recognize my own shortcomings, not spew forth anything, ards, moreover; i seem to remember checking in here not so long ago and viewed a post in a public forum where you posted about your misery...

to digress:

i remember being a supermarket and seeing a police officer who harrassed me once on campus and was an asshole when he pulled me over, i wanted to go up to his family and tell him what an asshole their father was, but i didn't, which was a good decision...

i've learned to let go of that shit, ardie...

the anger and hatred...

back to the subject:

what brought me here the other day was remembering back in my mind that this is the worse time of year to slip up and my own need to apoligize for the damage i caused here while saying my peace and moving on...

no one's perfect,
seth


whatever will be, will be, seth.
but the religious (c)rap you're hiding behind would be welcomed elsewhere, rather than in this forum, i'm thinking. and much of your attempts at redemption would be better served in private messages.

you had your chance (several chances) long ago and you blew it - all by the choices YOU made. whether you were drunk or sober isn't an issue. trust is something that is earned, which takes time, and is not awarded to the one who quotes the bible, religion, theologians and their ilk "the bestest." as usual, you cite articles, websites, quotes, verses, passages, etc., to steel your resolve, but no one's buying it. one day, perhaps, you'll come up with an original thought on your own. it will take years for you to win over those you damaged by your actions. your top priority should be your family and friends at home, and not some casual acquaintenances on a message board.

we could debate this til the end of time, but i've got better things to do. i would hope that in your attempt to change your life, in order to be successful, you would close this chapter of your book and move on. your pleas to be forgiven are falling on deaf ears. get a clue.

[John]

cathy,

it was Roger Waters that said, "We are all just empathic humanitarians"

remember the song, "Us and Them" and after all "We are just ordinary men" - RW

i fuckin' love that CD by Floyd...

ards,

closing this chapter of the book isn't a bad idea, ards...

i almost drank my way through college, but i never closed that book until the day i graduated Bachelor of Arts...

there is nothing orginal under the sun, ards, even a Pearl Jam song, sorry, but that it reality...

"it's all been said before" - ev

trust in the Lord and all else will fall into place, ards...

that's a good starting point and it helps me cope...

you have to learn to let go as well, ards, while having a right to be angry...

i'm trying to live by the power of example and recognize my own shortcomings, not spew forth anything, ards, moreover; i seem to remember checking in here not so long ago and viewed a post in a public forum where you posted about your misery...

to digress:

i remember being a supermarket and seeing a police officer who harrassed me once on campus and was an asshole when he pulled me over, i wanted to go up to his family and tell him what an asshole their father was, but i didn't, which was a good decision...

i've learned to let go of that shit, ardie...

the anger and hatred...

back to the subject:

what brought me here the other day was remembering back in my mind that this is the worse time of year to slip up and my own need to apoligize for the damage i caused here while saying my peace and moving on...

no one's perfect,
seth

[jamijams]

seth
let me make this simple
you say you came here to apologize
you have yet to do that

move on. we all have and are better for it.
i am sure there are like minded people out there for you to communicate with
you seem very adept at search engines
find yourself a group where the people there can relate to you

if you came here intending to make ammends you have failed
if you came here looking for negative attention you have succeeded

[Immortal]

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oh yes, <i>now</i> i remember you, really. the guy that doesn't speak so much as recite. you've been "back" two days and you're already on my nerves, and i don't even know you

[csmooth24]

i think i'm allowed to defend myself...

bye...No you're not. YOU GOT BANNED!



Can we all just ignore him please???

[John]

i was banned without an appeal process, which is fucked up, but i could care less now as long as i can defend myself......

i have found myself a group away from here...

while i'm sorry to have offended anyone such as Jami i just need to say the following to you two and eveyone else is on my good-side, "you two are the biggest mother-fuckin' hypocrites."

while you celebrate mike's life and socialize with him, you cast judgment on a person like...

for once i'd liked you (meaning jami) to apoligize to me without characterizing me as mentally disturbed....

i can leave by my own terms by deleting my own account (through YAHOO!) and have the last word...

haha :P


peace out,
seth


No you're not. YOU GOT BANNED!



Can we all just ignore him please???

[Highway23]

This isn't a court system. There is no 'appeals court.' I have seen MANY assholes on this site come and go, and I do believe that the only ones to ever be banned were people to come on here and just post website addresses...oh yeah...and you.

Seth, I have always dealt with and admired at times your beliefs and how you have shown them. It's admirable to a degree to what you used to do. I could care if you were drunk or not. Shit, ALL of my college life was under the influence of alcohol and some other stuff. I've suffered from depression for quite awhile...you're not the only one.

One thing is that you can't make an accuse for it. Don't come here and say you want back in, and think that people are going to let the past go.

You didn't come here and post some shitty webpages and get banned. You got banned because you were fucking scaring the shit out of someone who we all love and care about. That's stepping over the line.

I have those pictures too that Jami sent you. You're not that special. It's called sharing something that you love to people who you think are cool. It's not saying "fuck me, here's a picture of my dog"....It's saying "Here is a picture of my dog and me because I trust you to be a cool dude."

If I had thought what you must have been thinking, talking to Jami, when I have talked to some of the people on here, I would have fucked nearly everyone. That's including most of the guys.

There is no one here who is going to believe you. Your further ranting about your new found God and all that jazz makes me want to pinch one. I don't care, WE don't care.

You have failed to apologize. You have failed miserably. Instead, you have made the banning of you even more understandable (though I doubt there was much of a despute). You have come back on, sobbed about your life struggles with alcohol and religion and politics, have have vomited over the puke stain that we had covered up with sawdust the last time you left.

Goodbye seth/john (confirmed?) You aren't wanted here. It would be POINTLESS for you to come back here to a devilish retreat when you have the halo of a martyr.


I'm thirsty for a cold one.

[Not_Trapped]

This isn't a court system. There is no 'appeals court.' I have seen MANY assholes on this site come and go, and I do believe that the only ones to ever be banned were people to come on here and just post website addresses...oh yeah...and you.

Seth, I have always dealt with and admired at times your beliefs and how you have shown them. It's admirable to a degree to what you used to do. I could care if you were drunk or not. Shit, ALL of my college life was under the influence of alcohol and some other stuff. I've suffered from depression for quite awhile...you're not the only one.

One thing is that you can't make an accuse for it. Don't come here and say you want back in, and think that people are going to let the past go.

You didn't come here and post some shitty webpages and get banned. You got banned because you were fucking scaring the shit out of someone who we all love and care about. That's stepping over the line.

I have those pictures too that Jami sent you. You're not that special. It's called sharing something that you love to people who you think are cool. It's not saying "fuck me, here's a picture of my dog"....It's saying "Here is a picture of my dog and me because I trust you to be a cool dude."

If I had thought what you must have been thinking, talking to Jami, when I have talked to some of the people on here, I would have fucked nearly everyone. That's including most of the guys.

There is no one here who is going to believe you. Your further ranting about your new found God and all that jazz makes me want to pinch one. I don't care, WE don't care.

You have failed to apologize. You have failed miserably. Instead, you have made the banning of you even more understandable (though I doubt there was much of a despute). You have come back on, sobbed about your life struggles with alcohol and religion and politics, have have vomited over the puke stain that we had covered up with sawdust the last time you left.

Goodbye seth/john (confirmed?) You aren't wanted here. It would be POINTLESS for you to come back here to a devilish retreat when you have the halo of a martyr.


I'm thirsty for a cold one.
aww look - jake said it all so well - awesome dude -

but, hey, umm you know, you didn't want to fuck me did you? :P later holmes

[mtgirl]

Debbie Downer.
rotflmao...

[mtgirl]

i would like to state for the record that i stand behind what everyone minus seth has to say here. i hope that seth can pull himself up outta this mess, and obviously this would best be done far, far, away from *all* of us. seth, i just think you need to know that i'm in agreement with everyone that you obviously haven't grown enough to be back here and that the religion bit is not something we're interested in hearing about and that jami deserves to come here without having to deal with you. i understand that you have practiced an amazing amount of restraint; i appriciate that. but it can't stop, you have to keep making the right decisions.

[Smirks]

for a lift of the ban on the member of this community formerly known as Seth who is using the name John...

i sent Smirks/Chris a proposal and if he wants to keep the ban in effect i will leave, but i'm offering an apology for my drunken annoying behavior on the basis that i believe his method of discipline was too harsh, we couldn't even come to an agreement on a proper form of discipline...

is anyone perfect, for christ sakes?

i've been sober for close to six months now and have a lot to be thankful for during this holiday season..

i'm going back in my life and reminding myself of all the people that i need to ask for forgiveness in order to keep my life stable and honest...

by the way, i graduated from college in May and plan to go on to be a public school teacher...

best,
Seth (John)

:)
Seth/John,

I was all about letting the people decide, hence my lack of a response to your PM. It is clear that the people of this community do not want you here. I think I can speak for everyone when I say you are not welcome here, and you will NEVER be welcome here. In six months, or a year, or whenever you feel like you should make attempt to come back, don't. In the future you will not be given any sort of chance to redeem yourself. You are the 1 and only person that is banned from here for life. Good luck, and good riddance.

Chris

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