Love is Hell I and II

[Not_Trapped]

these are GOODER than other things -

i have the three new ones now - good stuff -

wow! his cover of wonderwall is cool -

but the rest of the songs are just GOOD -

right now the EP titles are just too fitting -

i think i'm gonna rip them and put them on one disk - is this the order the album was gonna be in originally?

[Johnny Carwash]

i read that from the success of LIH, the record company might release it as a whole album as ryan intended
i also heard ryan say in an interview that the record company has 3 more albums of his that they haven't released

[Not_Trapped]

oh wow - that would be sweet -

[moyboy]

oh wow - that would be sweet -

GREAT albums...can you believe the record company thought they weren't good enough? just another piece of evidence that most record companies don't know good music from their asses. Part One is my favorite of the Two, getting the majority of my listening time.
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[Not_Trapped]

they have their finger on the pulse of what is good now - to the largest population -

[Immortal]

the funny part is that if they had been released as one whole album, i probably never would have given the second half a listen, because the first half, to me, is pretty shitty. so i'm glad they released it in two halves, because i actually kind of like the second. it's still a far, far cry from <i>heartbreaker</i> or even <i>strangers almanac</i> though

[Johnny Carwash]

part two is my favorite of the 3 releases
i'd like to see another 'heartbreaker'-style album

they should release the other 3 albums that they're holding... it's a shame a person has to die before they release their music.. like johnny cash, and 2pac

[moyboy]

yeah, they know what is going to sell the most albums to the mass public, no matter what the content or quality... very few major labels are around to share and support good music, rather that is secondary to making the almighty dollar and building an image that will make even more.

hmmm. i like the first half best- great wonderwall version- but in fairness I've only given part two one quick listen.
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[Not_Trapped]

if industry cared about good music we might not be so superficial and uncaring -

[moyboy]

if industry cared about good music we might not be so superficial and uncaring -

Hey not trapped, are you with a label? if so, no offense to you. trust me, i've been involved with a few label people and can say great things about most of them. I'm just trying to decipher your last post...were you saying that if the artists were more caring of good music, perhaps instead of fame or money, then the labels would follow suit? if so, good point but I would also say that most musicians care about making music which is (one of the reasons) why they do it while people at labels often have different backgrounds (say accounting, business, or whatever) that drives them. The best label people that I've worked with are the ones who are friends to the cause (good music) or to the artists.
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[Highway23]

i am going to be the retard and ask...


who are you talking about?

[Johnny Carwash]

ryan adams, retard :P

[Highway23]

from what I had read, I had thought of him. Because I know that he has some albums stashed away..but then I was like..."Nah....these guys are talking about someone else...."


Fuck you! I know I'm retarded! :)


Adams is the shit. I hope that the album, which I have heard that it is, is like his past albums.

Rock and Roll was cool....but nothing compaired to what he has done in the past....

:)






damnit :devious:

[Johnny Carwash]

LIH leans more toward his other albums, but it's still different.. mostly on the pop ballad side with a twist of lime

[Not_Trapped]

Hey not trapped, are you with a label? if so, no offense to you. trust me, i've been involved with a few label people and can say great things about most of them. I'm just trying to decipher your last post...were you saying that if the artists were more caring of good music, perhaps instead of fame or money, then the labels would follow suit? if so, good point but I would also say that most musicians care about making music which is (one of the reasons) why they do it while people at labels often have different backgrounds (say accounting, business, or whatever) that drives them. The best label people that I've worked with are the ones who are friends to the cause (good music) or to the artists.
i'm not part of anything - i think the money driven label has caused artists to cater towards that philosophy - that's all -

[moyboy]

i'm not part of anything - i think the money driven label has caused artists to cater towards that philosophy - that's all -

Ah, I see your point, but i think that the artists hand is sometimes forced. Ryan Adams is a perfect example because he did Love Is Hell which he thought would be his new album, then the label told him it was unreleasable and that he needed to turn something better in. A few friends of mine of big corporate labels had the same experience where they were told to go back and try again. Perhaps the artists that you speak of that are moving in that direction are doing so in an effort to please their employer and keep their contracts alive. So, to your point- it's a two way street that seems to wrap around and travel over itself.
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[Not_Trapped]

i don't doubt that - i totally agree -

i think Love is Hell i and ii are perfect examples - the label hated it and told him to do something more sellable - he did that and it's turning out that the public is being a lot more receptive of Love is Hell than the label thought -

i am not naive enough to think that artists are somehow transcendental moral beings being corrupted by the big, bad devil or the other way -

i think it is a two-way street of compromise in that the labels make their money and the artist gets as much of their creative message across - and then there are other avenues that artists take - indie - and they release what they want when they want to who they want -

then there are artists who merely do cater to what the label wants and they market themselves as such before the contract is even thought of...i cite the <i>bands</i> that emerged to be part of the boy band craze...and grunge...and hair metal - all of them. you know.

the main point i think i am trying to make - tried to make - we might all be better off if labels allowed an artist to create rather than dictating what they are to do - in that way we wouldn't be so superficial and we could really decide what we like. peope are driven by what they hear and see and what they hear and see is superficial, in my opinion.

i like the fact that adams said - hey release this and i'll do something else that you will like.

that is probably a huge, nonsensical ramble -

sorry

dominic

[moyboy]

i don't doubt that - i totally agree -

i think Love is Hell i and ii are perfect examples - the label hated it and told him to do something more sellable - he did that and it's turning out that the public is being a lot more receptive of Love is Hell than the label thought -

i am not naive enough to think that artists are somehow transcendental moral beings being corrupted by the big, bad devil or the other way -

i think it is a two-way street of compromise in that the labels make their money and the artist gets as much of their creative message across - and then there are other avenues that artists take - indie - and they release what they want when they want to who they want -

then there are artists who merely do cater to what the label wants and they market themselves as such before the contract is even thought of...i cite the <i>bands</i> that emerged to be part of the boy band craze...and grunge...and hair metal - all of them. you know.

the main point i think i am trying to make - tried to make - we might all be better off if labels allowed an artist to create rather than dictating what they are to do - in that way we wouldn't be so superficial and we could really decide what we like. peope are driven by what they hear and see and what they hear and see is superficial, in my opinion.

i like the fact that adams said - hey release this and i'll do something else that you will like.

that is probably a huge, nonsensical ramble -

sorry

dominic


No, that makes complete sense and I agree 100%.
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[Beta]

i'm addicted to ryan adams.

[Not_Trapped]

i'm addicted to love

[Beta]

i'm addicted to love
... is hell? :P

[Not_Trapped]

...is a long way down

[Johnny Carwash]

they're re-airing the letterman show with ryan adams tonight

[Not_Trapped]

awesome - i want to see that again -

[Beta]

mmm potato.

[Johnny Carwash]

mmm potato.

that fucker...