Saddam Hussein - CAUGHT

[Not_Trapped]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20031214/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_saddam&cid=540&ncid=716

[Buannan]

just watching this on cnn now...I never thought we catch him alive....I wasn't sure we'd even catch him dead if you know what I mean

today is a good day

[Not_Trapped]

some yemeni guy (do they have a president or leader or what in yemen?) said that saddam was a coward and he let a lot of people down -

[Buannan]

some yemeni guy (do they have a president or leader or what in yemen?) said that saddam was a coward and he let a lot of people down -
I think they have a prime minister

a coward? by getting caught alive you mean?

[Not_Trapped]

yeah - by not putting up a fight - or not killing himself -

if you are going to call him a coward - at least call him a coward for running around little holes for 8 months and not being a leader - if he really thought he was justified then go be THE leader - but he didn't say he was a coward because of that - he called him a coward for being alive -

[Buannan]

yeah - by not putting up a fight - or not killing himself -

if you are going to call him a coward - at least call him a coward for running around little holes for 8 months and not being a leader - if he really thought he was justified then go be THE leader - but he didn't say he was a coward because of that - he called him a coward for being alive -
that's some fucked up thinking....I agree with you....he was a coward for hiding out and not facing his people and leading his country

[Not_Trapped]

i was hungover this morning and woke up - turned the laptop on and glanced at the headlines at yahoo and saw it and suddenly was not hungover anymore and was wide awake - and even chipper

if anyone has been watching the continuing coverage - they have john mccain on and he was just ecstatic - he was smiling and...well honestly, almost beaming - i felt it was inappropriate but then again i can imagine what this means to some people - the iraqi people celebrating is where it should be - it shouldn't be an american thing - you know what i mean?

[Buannan]

i was hungover this morning and woke up - turned the laptop on and glanced at the headlines at yahoo and saw it and suddenly was not hungover anymore and was wide awake - and even chipper

if anyone has been watching the continuing coverage - they have john mccain on and he was just ecstatic - he was smiling and...well honestly, almost beaming - i felt it was inappropriate but then again i can imagine what this means to some people - the iraqi people celebrating is where it should be - it shouldn't be an american thing - you know what i mean?
I can relate...however, we have every branch of the military right in the seattle area...and many people I know are over there...and many people I know are due to be deployed...and...damn...I can almost hear the cheering
not that it's really "our" victory...but it's "a" victory...and a sweet one at that...we did what we set out to do...and now the "real" work of rebuiling iraq can begin in earnest

I think it's fine for all of us...all humanity...to feel happy about this...it's a victory for humanity...and it's ok to feel good about it
I couldn't care less if we got him...or the british...or the french even...just so long as he was caught and his dictatorship is over...I'd feel like this regardless of whom got him
:)

[Not_Trapped]

i know what you're saying - and you're right - my roommate's brother is there right now - it is good -

[GreenDisease]

I dont know how to feel about this honestly. I heard that he was caught, and Im kind of like "oh okay".

I feel that because he's caught, terror won't end. It's a start, but the feeling of terror will never end as long as there are people on this planet. There will always be sick fucks around the world killing people for no reason and we can't stop it all.

I can see that my opinion is not the norm here but, I'm just being cautiously optomistic.

Now that he's caught, I hope that we can get our people alive and HOME. Dubya got his wish, now he can grant the wishes of the families of soldiers and get them home where they belong.

[Not_Trapped]

catching him won't get the soldiers home - you're stating the obvious - you're being pessimistic and not optimistic at all - watch the news - look how happy those iraqi people are and tell me that this is not a good thing - regardless of what you think of the war or the administration -

[GreenDisease]

Dominic, I stated that Im being CAUTIOUSLY optomistic. There is a difference. But yet again, you've made me out to like like an idiot.

[_sysiphus_]

That was definitely a shocker to see that they actually caught Saddam. It is a good thing, but there are other terrorists out there still, particularly the ones responsible for 9/11.

[GreenDisease]

Thank you! Thats exactly what I was trying to saying.....well kind of, but you got it. :)

[Not_Trapped]

I feel that because he's caught, terror won't end. It's a start, but the feeling of terror will never end as long as there are people on this planet. There will always be sick fucks around the world killing people for no reason and we can't stop it all.

Dubya got his wish...
i wasn't trying to make you feel like an idiot - or even look like one - just saying that while you feel you are being optimistic your words speak something else - there they are ^there...you decide for yourself if they speak to people as words of hope or words of doom and gloom ahead...

now on to this 2nd thing - it was not only the wish of George Bush, President of the United States (just in case you forgot)...it was also the wish of all Iraqis that wanna be free in mind and from fear - the only people fighting and fueling the insurgency are those people that can benefit from overtaking the coalition forces -

i have said it before - i believe that are arrogant reasons for this war but a by-product of it is surely that this horrible, genocidal, terroristic dictator is out of power and in custody where he won't be able to hurt anyone anymore...i think that's a lot better than him being in power, whether or not there are tangent motives behind the war/occupation.

[Not_Trapped]

That was definitely a shocker to see that they actually caught Saddam. It is a good thing, but there are other terrorists out there still, particularly the ones responsible for 9/11.
i think it's funny how they say that this will help with capturing bin laden - will it help because we will have more bodies to search for him or because more people will be willing to come forward with information because now they have proof that we will take it all the way to the end and not let it go away...it's hard to tell -

to all those people that don't want bush as president for a second term - get ready - cause he's getting re-elected - the democratic campaign just isn't going to de-rail him...i don't like him and think there is a better way to go about leading our country but i would rather see him up there before i see any of the democratic hopefuls up there.

[GreenDisease]

As soon as I heard this news this moring I said to myself "Yup, he's elected again". And Im sure a small part of him was thinking that himself. Ive got a feeling that alot of people who weren't supporting him are supporting him now, kinda like jumping on the bandwagon.

I don't want him for a second term, but a whole shit load of people probably do now, and alot of liberal minded people are probably shitting their pants.

[Beta]

As soon as I heard this news this moring I said to myself "Yup, he's elected again". And Im sure a small part of him was thinking that himself. Ive got a feeling that alot of people who weren't supporting him are supporting him now, kinda like jumping on the bandwagon.

I don't want him for a second term, but a whole shit load of people probably do now, and alot of liberal minded people are probably shitting their pants.
exactly. I thought the same thing. "that ape will be re-fucking-elected." it almost made me sad that saddam was caught. almost.

[reallygroovN]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20031214/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_saddam&cid=540&ncid=716
well, i dont think that its saddam. i think saddam waited on my family and i sunday morning at a little diner in nyc. i swear it was saddam. looked just like him.

anywho, i hate gwb and i truly hope that he is not re-elected. capturing saddam (if it really is him and he is not, in fact, hiding out in nyc working as a diner waiter), does nothing for his credibility considering the number of soldiers who have died over there, not to mention the total lack of diplomacy which has left the american citizens footing the bill for this country's re-construction. yeah, im sure its a good thing for iraq that he is gone....but i would rather another country be footing the bill (not to mention the body bags).

to see how much money the bush's and their friends are making on the *reconstruction* of iraq, at the cost of american lives, is just as disgusting and appalling as what saddam hussein ever did to his people and country.

[Not_Trapped]

how does the number of people dying affect his credibility? i always thought that his credibility was being torn apart by the fact that they haven't even found a salt shaker of WMD - the american public hates the fact that soldiers are dying but it realizes that it's a war and people die. that his credibility is already tarnished because of the failure to produce tangible evidence of WMD SOMEWHERE leads to a less accepting view of the casualties. that's my opinion anyway and since it is mine - your's is completely invalid.

[Not_Trapped]

i think a lot of people lose sight of what hussein was - i know i do at times - then i saw this -

"I was so angry because this guy has caused so much damage," Mr. Rubaie added. "He has ruined the whole country. He has ruined 25 million people."

"And I have to confess that the last word was for me," he continued. "I was the last to leave the room and I said, `May God curse you. Tell me, when are you going to be accountable to God and the day of judgment? What are you going to tell him about Halabja and the mass graves, the Iran-Iraq war, thousands and thousands executed? What are you going to tell God?' He was exercising his French language."

it helps put it in perspective - this should have been done in 1990, but for some reason it wasn't.

[Buannan]

i think a lot of people lose sight of what hussein was - i know i do at times - then i saw this -

"I was so angry because this guy has caused so much damage," Mr. Rubaie added. "He has ruined the whole country. He has ruined 25 million people."

"And I have to confess that the last word was for me," he continued. "I was the last to leave the room and I said, `May God curse you. Tell me, when are you going to be accountable to God and the day of judgment? What are you going to tell him about Halabja and the mass graves, the Iran-Iraq war, thousands and thousands executed? What are you going to tell God?' He was exercising his French language."

it helps put it in perspective - this should have been done in 1990, but for some reason it wasn't.
agreed dommie dear
and, as I stated before, it's a good day for humanity

all bullshit politics aside...a murderer...an evil man if you will...is now in a place where he will no longer be able to murder and torture people...that is a good thing
sure...it's not the be all end all of terror...but to even take one person off the streets...to stop it in even one area...that's a very good thing
and the fact that he is still alive...and singing like a bird...and will be held accountable and all his victims...millions of them...will receive some sort of justice
that is a great thing

he's a very bad man...and I refuse to be less than jubilant at his capture no matter whom or how or why...I don't care...he's been captured...and that calls for celebration from all of humanity if you ask me

[yer ardy]

i'm really surprised they didn't find osama with saddam.
according to 'the weekly world news' or the 'globe'
they did get married and are now the parents of
a shaved ape baby....

i read this in line at the checkout last night... ;)

[Buannan]

i'm really surprised they didn't find osama with saddam.
according to 'the weekly world news' or the 'globe'
they did get married and are now the parents of
a shaved ape baby....

i read this in line at the checkout last night... ;)
lmao....funny you should say that ardy...one of the first things my son said upon hearing about saddam's capture was "what is the weekly world news going to say about this?"
lol

he loves that mag...I do too...it's better than a comic book
:silly:

[reallygroovN]

that's my opinion anyway and since it is mine - your's is completely invalid.
oh, put that on top of your speghetti and pour some *sauce* on it :P

george w bush was created with no credibility. which is why he makes such a great leader of the free world.

and furthermore...there are terrible, ruthless dictators who murder and torture innocent people before breakfast. however, its funny that the united states of america does not invade these other countires and overthrow their leader and capture him/her for crimes against humanity. i guess these other countries do not have the natural resources (oil) that iraq has.

that is what is dispicable and disgusting.

i suppose it is a good thing that the money from that natural resource is now going to be spent in america and, hopefully, help our economy....i mean, all that money could still be going to the french :rolleyes: or, heaven forbid, staying in iraq (cause we would never know if that money were being funneled to the *evil doers*). its just all kind of icky and sad and pathetic...especially when you add up all the service people who were killed over there.

no, dominic, i dont believe that the us went over to iraq on some *humanitarian* act to rid the world of a tyrant. the us went over to iraq for the money. period.

i am totally rambling here when i should be working on my mike project :P

[Jde-PJ]

It's really sad to see how Oliver Stonian and Micheal Morrian some of you people are.


Carry on with your conspiracies, I am not biting on this one.

[peacefulness]

I'm still not sure how they are so sure that it's him. From what I understand, they determined it was him through DNA testing, but where did they get 'his' DNA. I mean, much of why they stated that catching him was such a hard thing to do was cuz of the body doubles and all that. I'm just not so sure about their sureness. (Maybe that is him working in that diner. ;) )

I hope it's him though. I agree with groovn, I don't beleive this was done for entirely humanitarian purposes. I highly doubt that Bush (or whoever) decided to save a group of people from a heinous dictator and just threw a dart on the map to decide which fierce dictartorship they'd choose. Alterior motives would need to be there I would think. Whether the alterior motives have to do with oil, I won't say. It's a pretty valid possiblity I think, but not the only one. For all we know, the military insiders may have seen saddam/Iraq as some sort of threat to us, so they decided to take him out first, and just so happen to "free the Iraqi people" in the process. I don't know.

I'm certain there's a lot that our government doesn't tell us, good or bad, so the only thing I do know is that the whole point had non-humanitarian motives. But that part is not so important to me. We've helped a lot of people out and are giving them a chance at a better life. That's what's important to me.

As far as Osama, I guess I still don't see how the two things correlate other than they both are bad people and both are some sort of muslim... or something (neither of the two are very representative of Islam based on my limited understanding of the religion). Of course, I'll admit to not being nearly as aware of world events as I probably should be.

~Melanie

[reallygroovN]

It's really sad to see how Oliver Stonian and Micheal Morrian some of you people are.


Carry on with your conspiracies, I am not biting on this one.


you bit

and there was more then one bullet :P

and you would probably be saying the same thing if clinton was still the president.

[GreenDisease]

I agree with Cath and Melanie.

Clap Clap Clap. :)

[GreenDisease]

And its not because I don't belong to the Rep. party. I just wanted to state that before someone accuses me. :)

[Jde-PJ]

you bit

and there was more then one bullet :P

and you would probably be saying the same thing if clinton was still the president.
no I didn't bite, and don't assume anything about me and what I would or would not say.

goodbye

[Not_Trapped]

and furthermore...there are terrible, ruthless dictators who murder and torture innocent people before breakfast. however, its funny that the united states of america does not invade these other countires and overthrow their leader and capture him/her for crimes against humanity. i guess these other countries do not have the natural resources (oil) that iraq has.

that is what is dispicable and disgusting.

no, dominic, i dont believe that the us went over to iraq on some *humanitarian* act to rid the world of a tyrant. the us went over to iraq for the money. period.


what is the benefit of deposing those leaders? what does the US get for that? do you think that the people of this country could really stand for something that cannot even be veiled in justification? do you think that the people in this country don't understand what they are being hit over the head with when it is blatantly obvious that there are alterate motives for being in iraq?

[Not_Trapped]

I'm still not sure how they are so sure that it's him. From what I understand, they determined it was him through DNA testing, but where did they get 'his' DNA. I mean, much of why they stated that catching him was such a hard thing to do was cuz of the body doubles and all that. I'm just not so sure about their sureness. (Maybe that is him working in that diner. ;) )


wel the doubles are for sight recognition only and not voice and body recognition - remember we were "allies" with iraq at one time. people have already ID'ed him based on body markings and what not - so you can dispose of the questioning on this issue now -

[GreenDisease]

I thought I saw Osama in the Ocean County Mall, honest to God. Tall, really skinny, long grey white beard, and exact shade of skin.

I was freaking out.

And Jason, some people have different reactions to many things, just because a few of us think differently from the majority in this post doesn't automatically mean that you need to throw a hissy and tell us who we think like. So, in your words:

"Don't assume anything about me and what I would or would not say"

goodbye

[peacefulness]

wel the doubles are for sight recognition only and not voice and body recognition - remember we were "allies" with iraq at one time. people have already ID'ed him based on body markings and what not - so you can dispose of the questioning on this issue now -

well, allies and "allies" are two different things I would think. Who's to say we had the right person to derive body markings, voice patterns, and such then to know we were identifying the right person now? That's my only point. I guess, based on what we know at this point, we really can't get more definate than we are now. Hell, the whole thing sounds like something out of a James Bond movie or something anyway (or scooby-doo), so might as well just throw that idea out there.

~Melanie

[Not_Trapped]

okay since you have decided to keep playing your stupid game - his doubles really didn't want to be body doubles for a man that was under such fire - i am guessing that any men that were doubles have turned themselves in and i can't see any of them offering themselves up as saddam hussein like it was reported SADDAM HUSSEIN did when captured saturday night -

take two seconds and think about it and you will see that this is not from a james bond movie - or scooby doo -

to be honest - i think he got tired of running - what's a life alive if you are on the run like that?

[Not_Trapped]

and on another note - hillary clinton said that we would be farther along in quelling the insugency if we had taken more steps to internationalize it - so she believes that iraqis who have some twisted view of saddam as a savior and wonderful president would NOT be so up in arms if it was a french/german/US force that was doing this to their country?

am i interpreting this wrong?

[reallygroovN]

a...jas, i was kidding. it was a joke.

b...dominic, i think that most people in other countries think that americans are stubborn, ignorant, totaliarian slobs bent on world domination who would rather make a buck then help anyone. i dont think that most people in iraq have (or are permitted to have) a political voice so i dont think we will ever know what they are thinking. not to mention that most of what we see on tv is slanted and pro-american/west propaganda.

and i am speaking as a stubborn, ignorant, totaliarian slob bent on world domination ;)

c. mel and dominic....even though the guy who waited on us yesterday morning looked EXACTLY like saddam, im almost positive it wasn't. and, once again, it was a joke.

i just love a good political thread...anyone want to discuss partial birth aborition?

[GreenDisease]

You just popped open a new can of worms Cath! Hahahaha!

:)

[Not_Trapped]

b...dominic, i think that most people in other countries think that americans are stubborn, ignorant, totaliarian slobs bent on world domination who would rather make a buck then help anyone. i dont think that most people in iraq have (or are permitted to have) a political voice so i dont think we will ever know what they are thinking. not to mention that most of what we see on tv is slanted and pro-american/west propaganda.

c. mel and dominic....even though the guy who waited on us yesterday morning looked EXACTLY like saddam, im almost positive it wasn't. and, once again, it was a joke.


we'll deal with (c) first - i am not the one dumb enough to believe that the guy they captured MIGHT NOT be the real deal. please delete my name from that association -

now for (B) -
and what are the palestinians? what are the israelites? what is any country? we just happen to be the best at it and who cares? everyone wants the world to be the way THEY are - there is no other country that i know of that is as tolerant as this one as far as letting you live, for the most part, the way you want to live. i would rather the world be that way.

i think that the iraqis who are bitching right now should stop and realize that if the US military wanted them ALL dead - they could be dead!

we maybe arrogant and stubborn but i have never feared being tortured -

[csmooth24]

who did we catch?

[reallygroovN]

oh, i agree with ya, dominic. although i admit i have had the thought that maybe the person they caught was one of those saddam impersonators. whatever.

i would much rather live here then anywhere else.

and you just didnt spend enough time with me this summer. i'm great at torture

:P

[_sysiphus_]

Bush's re-election is in the bag now, for sure. The only thing the Democrats can hope for is 2008 when Hillary Clinton runs.

[peacefulness]

I was aware that it was a joke and I, too, was joking on the guy in the diner thing. (hence the winky face... at least I put in and saw a winky faces upon posting. Maybe you missed it.)

I don't see how my thought that there's a chance it's not him (even though I'm sure it most likely is, but that's really beside the point) is "dumb." People do crazy stuff for crazy reasons. I'm not to *ahem* "dumb" to realize that. I wasn't playing a game but, rather, pointing out a possibiltiy (slim as it may be), so sorry to burst your bubble, kid. Now, if you would, please step down from your throne of high-and-mightiness. It really doesn't suit you.

~Melanie

[Not_Trapped]

dumb -

and it's TOO not TO - it's funny that you forget such a basic thing when you are claiming that you're not too dumb to realize something -

i happen to like the throne - someone has to say it

[ProfessorFrink]

http://www.imgmag.org/images/reallystupid/troll.jpg

[Not_Trapped]

http://www.imgmag.org/images/reallystupid/troll.jpg
that, my friend, is a fitting end to this thread - thank you

[reallygroovN]

don't even tell me....

is that your sister's toy, frink :P

youse all are way too serious. its my throne...i am the self-proclaimed queen of the universe.

bow too my brilliance

:D

[yer ardy]

one question:
why is that troll blushing?


in real-life-size,
he'd be one proud mofo, yes??

:P

[ProfessorFrink]

yes... it's all about penis in the Frink family.

[peacefulness]

That's pretty funny.

And so is the troll.

You can have the throne, Cathy. I'm ok with that. hehehehe :)

~Melanie

[jamijams]

dominic, you are my friend and i enjoy our friendship, but i have to say that the way you have berated people lately really leaves a bad taste in my mouth. i know we all kid with each other, we all take jabs at each other, and we often times disagree. to call someones intelligence or validity of feelings or knowledge 'dumb' or otherwise completely disrespect their having an opinion - is getting a little old. at least they have an opinion. so you don't agree, so you don't understand, so you don't think it's right. that's ok. it isn't a reason for name calling. you've made it very clear to everyone that comes here that there is tension between you and cara, you and melanie, and you and sandi. do you really feel so negatively towards them that you need to continue to call attention to it? please dont' think i'm writing this forgetting the times i bagged on Seth (oh ok, vitalochica too) I am not forgetting that at all. i guess i just feel like you are purposefully creating negativity here, for your own amusement and ego feeding. its kind of sad to watch.

[Not_Trapped]

how can you outlaw dancing?

anyway - ANYWAY - you should've said this elsewhere - you're right though - but, i don't have a problem with cara - or seth or vitolachica - everybody's gotta cut a little footloose -

yes the PATTERN of berating is overwhelming...

now if this would just die -

[Highway23]

Though I know that most of you want this post to die, I haven't posted on it yet, so I think I can state my piece.


First things first. (I think this will be a long post, if you don't want to read, it's okay..I understand)

George W. was going to be re-elected even before any of this happened. Shit, even before we went and took down statues of Saddam he was going to be re-elected. Why? Why not? The Democrats have no one worthy of taking the place of someone who pretty much believes in what they believe. The majority of our society is coming to terms that it really doesn't matter if we vote R or D, it's all the same. Sure, they may state it one way different, but who the fuck is going to come into office and make everything better in Iraq? Who would want to? It's such a mess that we have created that I would just rather have Bush deal with it for the next four years. Am I goign to vote for him, fuck no. But really, does it matter?

Second off, congrats to the men and women who are over there in our armed forces. They may not believe in what they are doing, or they do. Either way, they are doing their job regardless of what they believe is right. I think that Saddam being caught is a great thing. And I am smiling for the men and women over there who were feeling, much like those who faught in Vietnam, that they weren't getting any credit for what they were doing. Damnit, it must be hard being away from your family, being scared that some crazy is going to throw a bomb at you, while back home people are thinking that you aren't doing shit for anything.

I believe that Bush has really jumped around, and totally fucked things up. But what are we going to do now? WE have to stay over there until the mess is cleared up. If we would leave now, like many Democratic "wannabe" presidents want to do, we would again create what we have created with dozens of other countries where we have helped out....barely enough, or not even enought...and have left them in the dark.

I'm suprised at the fact that we have been staying over there as long as we have, and that the plan is to stay there. At least someone up top is thinking. Yes, I don't think that this war needed to happen. Sure, Saddam has been a menace to the world, mainly to the middle Eastern countries, and I do believe that he should go to trial for acts against humanity. We all knew about this BEFORE this war. EVen before Desert Storm! He should've been taken care of along time ago, but at least we got him now, and at least we can do something about this.


This hasn't put an end to the war. The "War on Terror" really has little to do with this war against Iraq. And it pisses me off to see that the media and politicians have jumbled them all up into one big pile of shit. I am still doubting that having Saddam will give us any leak to the weapons of mass distruction...Bush even couldn't comment on it yesterday. It was just another excuse to get over there. I am hoping however that we get to Bin Laden, and the rest of his crew. They are a danger to not only the U.S. but the rest of the world, mainly the rest of the world.

No matter what, we really need to get shit straight. Our President and his party better get on the same track with the U.N. before we do much else. This is the reason that so many countries are not caring about our movements along the worldly terrains....WE DON'T HAVE THE U.N. BACKING US UP! Come on Bush! For Christ sake, just take the time to see what the rest of the world does before we really get jolted by something a little bigger than finding Saddam in a fucking rat hole.

We can do alot of good things for the people of Iraq. Hopefully, they prosper more from the contracts and oil that are going to be making their way into the world business. Those people are the ones who have suffered for over 35 years under Saddam. Seeing their mass-killing, stealing leader under our hands is a good thing. Most believe it, those who don't now, will....If we do it right. The people of Iraq need not only the U.S., but the rest of the world supporting them in growing into a country of prosperity and freedom. We as a country can't do that alone, and neither can they. Hopefully we have some people doing some thinking.

We can all benefit from it, and in turn create some peace where it has been difficult to create in nearly 40 years. Bush is going to be re-elected. It's a gimmie. Let's just hope that he has learned from the past in what to do , and what not to do. I don't like him either, but he's all that we've got at the moment.

[Buannan]

Though I know that most of you want this post to die, I haven't posted on it yet, so I think I can state my piece.


First things first. (I think this will be a long post, if you don't want to read, it's okay..I understand)

George W. was going to be re-elected even before any of this happened. Shit, even before we went and took down statues of Saddam he was going to be re-elected. Why? Why not? The Democrats have no one worthy of taking the place of someone who pretty much believes in what they believe. The majority of our society is coming to terms that it really doesn't matter if we vote R or D, it's all the same. Sure, they may state it one way different, but who the fuck is going to come into office and make everything better in Iraq? Who would want to? It's such a mess that we have created that I would just rather have Bush deal with it for the next four years. Am I goign to vote for him, fuck no. But really, does it matter?

Second off, congrats to the men and women who are over there in our armed forces. They may not believe in what they are doing, or they do. Either way, they are doing their job regardless of what they believe is right. I think that Saddam being caught is a great thing. And I am smiling for the men and women over there who were feeling, much like those who faught in Vietnam, that they weren't getting any credit for what they were doing. Damnit, it must be hard being away from your family, being scared that some crazy is going to throw a bomb at you, while back home people are thinking that you aren't doing shit for anything.

I believe that Bush has really jumped around, and totally fucked things up. But what are we going to do now? WE have to stay over there until the mess is cleared up. If we would leave now, like many Democratic "wannabe" presidents want to do, we would again create what we have created with dozens of other countries where we have helped out....barely enough, or not even enought...and have left them in the dark.

I'm suprised at the fact that we have been staying over there as long as we have, and that the plan is to stay there. At least someone up top is thinking. Yes, I don't think that this war needed to happen. Sure, Saddam has been a menace to the world, mainly to the middle Eastern countries, and I do believe that he should go to trial for acts against humanity. We all knew about this BEFORE this war. EVen before Desert Storm! He should've been taken care of along time ago, but at least we got him now, and at least we can do something about this.


This hasn't put an end to the war. The "War on Terror" really has little to do with this war against Iraq. And it pisses me off to see that the media and politicians have jumbled them all up into one big pile of shit. I am still doubting that having Saddam will give us any leak to the weapons of mass distruction...Bush even couldn't comment on it yesterday. It was just another excuse to get over there. I am hoping however that we get to Bin Laden, and the rest of his crew. They are a danger to not only the U.S. but the rest of the world, mainly the rest of the world.

No matter what, we really need to get shit straight. Our President and his party better get on the same track with the U.N. before we do much else. This is the reason that so many countries are not caring about our movements along the worldly terrains....WE DON'T HAVE THE U.N. BACKING US UP! Come on Bush! For Christ sake, just take the time to see what the rest of the world does before we really get jolted by something a little bigger than finding Saddam in a fucking rat hole.

We can do alot of good things for the people of Iraq. Hopefully, they prosper more from the contracts and oil that are going to be making their way into the world business. Those people are the ones who have suffered for over 35 years under Saddam. Seeing their mass-killing, stealing leader under our hands is a good thing. Most believe it, those who don't now, will....If we do it right. The people of Iraq need not only the U.S., but the rest of the world supporting them in growing into a country of prosperity and freedom. We as a country can't do that alone, and neither can they. Hopefully we have some people doing some thinking.

We can all benefit from it, and in turn create some peace where it has been difficult to create in nearly 40 years. Bush is going to be re-elected. It's a gimmie. Let's just hope that he has learned from the past in what to do , and what not to do. I don't like him either, but he's all that we've got at the moment.
amen jake

and if I made add....bush created the mess...he needs to clean it up...and I wish to emphasize jake's point...if we pull out now...the mess will be even bigger...and the people of iraq will suffer even more

[GreenDisease]

Dominic, I can NOT believe how self centered you were on that last page. I love you, but that is so shitty and arrogant.

[Not_Trapped]

OKAY - LET'S SEE HERE - I'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND SAY IT HERE - EVERYONE ALREADY KNOWS IT THOUGH - I'M NOT GOING TO GO OUT OF MY FUCKING WAY TO BE NICE TO SOMEONE THAT I DON'T FUCKING LIKE OR RESPECT. I HAVE NEVER ASKED FOR THAT FROM ANYONE...IF YOU DON'T LIKE ME I DON'T GIVE A SHIT. I DON'T FUCKING LIKE HER - SHE KNOWS IT - I HAVE ASKED HER NOT TO REPLY IN MY THREADS BECAUSE I DON'T CARE WHAT SHE HAS TO SAY. IT'S MY OPINION THAT SHE ADDS NOTHING THAT HAS NOT ALREADY BEEN SAID AND EVEN IF SHE DID I WOULD IGNORE IT AND FIND THE INFORMATION SOMEWHERE ELSE. I WAS PURPOSEFULLY HARSH BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY I AM WHEN IT COMES TO PEOPLE I DON'T CARE FOR. I DON'T CARE - I DON'T CARE - I DON'T CARE -

[ProfessorFrink]

all of the troll boners in the world couldn't stop this trainwreck.

[GreenDisease]

The comic relief is back!

Hey Frink! :)

[Not_Trapped]

my head hurts